Gugganij 12:10, 9 March 2006 (UTC) Reply Stephen? At least, that would be the exact translation of the German expression. Shouldn't the article be moved to Lands of the Holy Hungarian Crown of St. Zello 22:53, 26 January 2006 (UTC) Reply Moving? In the Croatian Ausgleich Act "Magyarország" is used always in the narrow meaning. In the Austrian-Hungarian Ausgleich Acts typically the long term is used in the title and the first paragraphs and later only "Magyarország" but I think this is only a practical symplification. OK, and "Hungarian kingdom" or "KoH" appears nowhere in the wide sense? Juro 22:37, 26 January 2006 (UTC) Reply Not official but in my old Pallas Lexikon Croatia is "one of the countries of the Lands of." and my old geographical atlas from 1906 uses the term at the map of Austria-Hungary.The Croatian-Hungarian Ausgleich (1868/XXX) explains thoroughly the whole conception using the expressions "Szent István Koronájának Országai" and "Magyar Korona Országai".The Act of Ausgleich (1867/XII) speaks about the "Magyar Korona Országai" similary to the Economic Ausgleich Acts (1867/XIV-XVI).I looked up some sources within easy reach: Could you give me some sources, where I can read more about it? Thanxs Gugganij 12:08, 9 March 2006 (UTC) Reply Juro 21:45, 26 January 2006 (UTC) Reply "Austria-Hungarian Monarchy" was one of the official names? That surprises me indeed. I am quite sure that KoH is also used in the wide sense, I am not sure to what extent this usage was official at that time. But since you are in Budapest, you should have more quickly available sources about this, that's why I am asking. That is quite obvious, but the question is whether Kingdom of Hungary was not ALSO the official name, analogously to - and the A-H article is wrong in this part (and unfortunately it is me who wrote this wrongly there) - the "Austrian-Hungarian Monarchy", which was ALSO the fully official name, as I found out recently. Actually the synomym of the LHSSt is not the KoH but the casual Austrian expression Transleithania. See the official name of Austria-Hungary: "Die im Reichsrat vertretenen Königreiche und Länder und die Länder der heiligen ungarischen Stephanskrone". But the legal meaning was different and the two was distinguished.
The "Lands." is a long and artificial sounding term so I'm sure that in everyday usage the Koh was more frequent, especially when there wasn't any special need to express sophisticated constitutional connections. in a wider sense, and I have not checked it, but I even think to remember that this was the case during Austria-Hungary. I have not expressed it correctly, what I mean is that the term Kingdom of Hungary was/is also used for the Lands of the. I'd like to write about problems with this term, for example Dalmatia, Galicia etc but I haven't got any time now. The conception of the LHCSSt was like an "eternal" union between two (or more) de iure independent countries. Very important to enhance that Croatia was never part of Hungary, it is a special connection somewhere between the personal and real union. This term expressed the connection between the Koh and Croatia and other historical claims. It is certainly not synonimous with the Kingdom of Hungary. Former countries Wikipedia:WikiProject Former countries Template:WikiProject Former countries former country articles If you would like to participate, please join the project. This article is within the scope of WikiProject Former countries, a collaborative effort to improve Wikipedia's coverage of defunct states and territories (and their subdivisions). WikiProject Former countries / Austria-Hungary This article has been rated as High-importance on the project's importance scale. This article has been rated as Start-Class on the project's quality scale. European history Wikipedia:WikiProject European history Template:WikiProject European history European history articles If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join the discussion and see a list of open tasks. This article is within the scope of WikiProject European history, a collaborative effort to improve the coverage of the history of Europe on Wikipedia.
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